We’re a little puzzled at the attention a Florida robo-signing case has garnered. A plaintiff tried arguing that robo signing alone constituted a reason to dismiss a foreclosure. That’s such a stretch that it is no wonder a judge decided against the borrower argument.
Mind you, we think robo signing is serious because it is a fraud on the court and will almost assuredly be more complicated to clean up than the banks would have you believe. But the presence of a robo signer in and of itself is very unlikely to do much for the cause for an individual homeowner. The real implications are twofold. First is that the cost and hassle of banks straightening out this mess are serious. Not only will they have to spend more on foreclosures going forward, not merely getting proper signatures and notarizations, but also verfying the accuracy of the underlying information. And the state of Ohio is on a warpath, seeking to impose $25,000 fines for each improper affidavit. Second, some judges may make servicers start cases from scratch where a false affidavit has been submitted.
When banks find errors, as Bank of America has, what will the judge do?
HousingWire gives a report on this Florida case:
In Freemon v. Deutsche Bank, Florida’s Fourth District Court of Appeal ruled that an allegedly faulty affidavit didn’t constitute fraud in the case.
“Freemon’s motion does not demonstrate fraud or show why any of the alleged facts would entitle her to relief sufficient to set aside a default judgment,” the court ruled this week. “Freemon nowhere contends that she did not default on her mortgage, nor does she allege that the amounts due and owing, set forth in the affidavit and incorporated in the final judgment, are incorrect.”
In November 2007, Deutsche Bank filed to foreclosure against the homeowner, Veldrin Freemon, alleging she owed more than $570,000 on the mortgage note. Freemon didn’t answer the foreclosure complaint and a default judgment was entered. She later contested the case and it was delayed for six months. A foreclosure sale was reset for September 2009, and the property was sold back to the bank. When the bank sought to repossess the home after the sale, however, Freemon filed for relief from the judgment, alleging that an affidavit in the case was fraudulent.
The allegation of fraud was based on a deposition in another foreclosure case from a Litton Loan employee who was signing foreclosure affidavits without personal knowledge of their contents.
The court ruled that the deposition was insufficient to prove fraud and disagreed with Freemon’s characterization of the Litton Loan affidavit from Denise Bailey.
Freemon claimed that Bailey claimed personal knowledge of the matters in the affidavit yet she did not know who inputted information into the computer regarding the loan in question.
I pinged a lawyer who has been following securitization cases. HIs reply:Very narrow ruling with limited implications.
I haven’t reviewed the case, but it doesn’t look like this borrower was connected to any of the people we know because it was a very incomplete argument.
Facts (as far as I can tell from the article):
Borrower was foreclosed. Later learns about robo-signers, and uses deposition from another case to argue the foreclosure should be overturned because the robo-signer admitted in the other case that she didn’t personally verify facts in the affidavit.Appeals court dismissed borrowers complaint because the borrower didn’t present sufficient evidence of fraud or that any facts reviewed by the court in the original foreclosure case were in dispute. The borrower didn’t present any specific information regarding fraud in her case.
I did not see this as a ruling that robo-signing was not fraud. Rather, the judge said that the allegations about another case’s deposition were insufficient to show that an existing ruling (the house was already foreclosed and sold) should be vacated. The appeals court ruled that they would not over rule a trial court’s review of the facts without compelling evidence, which was not presented in this case.
I find the perspective of the article’s author and of Paul Jackson to be curious. The author said it was “good news for servicers” and Jackson said it was “huge news” because it found “robo-signing” was not fraud.
It seems very odd to me to be cheerleading for servicers’ right to submit bad information to the courts. That is a measure of just how far banks, and their minions, are willing to twist themselves over this issue.
In addition, this is far from a huge ruling. The borrower seems to have made a very weak case – first they didn’t challenge the foreclosure until after it was sold. Then, they only presented evidence from another case, without making any factual assertions in their own case (perhaps the goal was to re-open the case so they could take their own depositions, but this is a far more difficult route to attempt). In addition, they also tried to assert that the issue was “fraud”, which is, as you know, a very tough legal hurdle which requires the proof of “intent” which is difficult to establish.
While we’ll be seeing more fallout of the robo signing scandal, it’s more a symptom of deeper problems in the securitization process, namely, widespread disregard for contracts and legal procedures, than a huge issue in and of itself. But it will still be generating embarrassing stories for weeks and higher costs on an onging basis.
We’re a little puzzled at the attention a Florida robo-signing case has garnered. A plaintiff tried arguing that robo signing alone constituted a reason to dismiss a foreclosure. That’s such a stretch that it is no wonder a judge decided against the borrower argument.
Mind you, we think robo signing is serious because it is a fraud on the court and will almost assuredly be more complicated to clean up than the banks would have you believe. But the presence of a robo signer in and of itself is very unlikely to do much for the cause for an individual homeowner. The real implications are twofold. First is that the cost and hassle of banks straightening out this mess are serious. Not only will they have to spend more on foreclosures going forward, not merely getting proper signatures and notarizations, but also verfying the accuracy of the underlying information. And the state of Ohio is on a warpath, seeking to impose $25,000 fines for each improper affidavit. Second, some judges may make servicers start cases from scratch where a false affidavit has been submitted.
When banks find errors, as Bank of America has, what will the judge do?HousingWire gives a report on this Florida case:
In Freemon v. Deutsche Bank, Florida’s Fourth District Court of Appeal ruled that an allegedly faulty affidavit didn’t constitute fraud in the case.
“Freemon’s motion does not demonstrate fraud or show why any of the alleged facts would entitle her to relief sufficient to set aside a default judgment,” the court ruled this week. “Freemon nowhere contends that she did not default on her mortgage, nor does she allege that the amounts due and owing, set forth in the affidavit and incorporated in the final judgment, are incorrect.”
In November 2007, Deutsche Bank filed to foreclosure against the homeowner, Veldrin Freemon, alleging she owed more than $570,000 on the mortgage note. Freemon didn’t answer the foreclosure complaint and a default judgment was entered. She later contested the case and it was delayed for six months. A foreclosure sale was reset for September 2009, and the property was sold back to the bank. When the bank sought to repossess the home after the sale, however, Freemon filed for relief from the judgment, alleging that an affidavit in the case was fraudulent.
The allegation of fraud was based on a deposition in another foreclosure case from a Litton Loan employee who was signing foreclosure affidavits without personal knowledge of their contents.
The court ruled that the deposition was insufficient to prove fraud and disagreed with Freemon’s characterization of the Litton Loan affidavit from Denise Bailey.
Freemon claimed that Bailey claimed personal knowledge of the matters in the affidavit yet she did not know who inputted information into the computer regarding the loan in question.
I pinged a lawyer who has been following securitization cases. HIs reply:Very narrow ruling with limited implications.
I haven’t reviewed the case, but it doesn’t look like this borrower was connected to any of the people we know because it was a very incomplete argument.
Facts (as far as I can tell from the article):
Borrower was foreclosed. Later learns about robo-signers, and uses deposition from another case to argue the foreclosure should be overturned because the robo-signer admitted in the other case that she didn’t personally verify facts in the affidavit.Appeals court dismissed borrowers complaint because the borrower didn’t present sufficient evidence of fraud or that any facts reviewed by the court in the original foreclosure case were in dispute. The borrower didn’t present any specific information regarding fraud in her case.
I did not see this as a ruling that robo-signing was not fraud. Rather, the judge said that the allegations about another case’s deposition were insufficient to show that an existing ruling (the house was already foreclosed and sold) should be vacated. The appeals court ruled that they would not over rule a trial court’s review of the facts without compelling evidence, which was not presented in this case.
I find the perspective of the article’s author and of Paul Jackson to be curious. The author said it was “good news for servicers” and Jackson said it was “huge news” because it found “robo-signing” was not fraud.
It seems very odd to me to be cheerleading for servicers’ right to submit bad information to the courts. That is a measure of just how far banks, and their minions, are willing to twist themselves over this issue.
In addition, this is far from a huge ruling. The borrower seems to have made a very weak case – first they didn’t challenge the foreclosure until after it was sold. Then, they only presented evidence from another case, without making any factual assertions in their own case (perhaps the goal was to re-open the case so they could take their own depositions, but this is a far more difficult route to attempt). In addition, they also tried to assert that the issue was “fraud”, which is, as you know, a very tough legal hurdle which requires the proof of “intent” which is difficult to establish.
While we’ll be seeing more fallout of the robo signing scandal, it’s more a symptom of deeper problems in the securitization process, namely, widespread disregard for contracts and legal procedures, than a huge issue in and of itself. But it will still be generating embarrassing stories for weeks and higher costs on an onging basis.
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